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MaryRezk

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Posted: Dec 27, 2006 - 02:04 PM

Hi,

I was just wondering whether anyone can read the Qur'an because I think I heard somewhere that in the Orthodox religion you can't read the Qur'an without special permission or something.

Is that true, and if it's not, does anyone know a specific link where I can read the Qur'an online?

Thanks in advance,
Mary

pavly

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Posted: Dec 27, 2006 - 03:11 PM

I don't think it's not permitted, but just not recommended. I remember my parents saying that back in Egypt they used to read it part of one of their classes (whether they liked it or not). So I'm assuming that it wasn't "haram" for them.

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Posted: Dec 27, 2006 - 03:14 PM

Hi Mary,

Just to be on the safe side, I'd say tell your Father of Confession that you want to read it. If you don't have a foundation strong enough, he would tell you not to as it can make it weaker and make you start wondering and flipping back and forth between both religions.

If you want to get yourself a translated copy, get one that predates 1960 because they are honest in the translation. After the 60s they were translated with so much bias.

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MaryRezk

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Posted: Dec 27, 2006 - 05:22 PM

Hey,

Thanks a lot for replying and I'll definitely look for an older version of the Qur'an if I start to read it (now that I know that it's ok!).

Thanks,
Mary

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Posted: Dec 27, 2006 - 06:01 PM

Hi Mary -

I have read large portions of the Qu'ran (required reading for Arabic class in college). I agree with what was said above - make sure you know the Orthodox doctrine and are firm in your faith before you read it, to avoid confusion.

Also, ask yourself why you want to read it - to get a better understanding of Islam? To get a better understanding of your own beliefs? Sometimes, it's good to ask a priest or Sunday school servant to go over the key differences before you start, so that you have a roadmap of what you are reading and studying. (I'd be happy to discuss it with you if you like!)

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Posted: Dec 27, 2006 - 07:59 PM

my main reasons for listening to commentaries on the quran , and reading portions of the quran and hadiths were to simply and soley try to find faults in it . and i did .

this helped me also to reaffirm that islam was NOT the right religion .

i read it so i could learn how to refute it , not to actually learn from it .

another reason why i read the quran was to try and prove my religion of christianity to be right . for example . if some muslim said " your bible has been corrupted " ... i would reply to him saying " well according to your quran the bible is not only not corrupted , but certain quran verses instructs you to read from my bible in . and if my bible was corrupted why hasnt mohammed " prophosized" that it will be ?

basically i read it for the sole purpose of trying to beat them with their own material .

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MaryRezk

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Posted: Dec 28, 2006 - 08:59 AM

Hi,

First of all, Carol, yes I would like to discuss the key dfferences before I start just so I don't get confused while I'm reading or anything.

And I guess why I really want to read the Qur'an, besides the fact that I like to understand other religions, is because if I'm in a debate with someone or something, I want to be able to back up what I'm saying with direct quotes so that I have a stronger argument.

I also think that by finding out about another religion, I'll grow stronger in my own religion (if that makes any sense!).

Also, everyone always associates terrorism with Islam but I think that terrorist leaders only have political motivations in mind and that they use religious reasons as just things they can rally people behind.

So, I don't think that Islam is merely a religion that incites hate and violence. I think that the Qur'an has some good and bad parts; some parts that talk about love and others that talk about hate and, because it is such a conflicting book, terrorist leaders were able to find the passages that they needed to incite violence and disregarded the parts that talk about love.

I may be completely wrong in what I just said (I mean, I haven't read the Qur'an yet) but I just think that there has to be something good in a religion that has drawn so many people to it, men and women.

Mary

minasoliman

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Posted: Dec 28, 2006 - 11:01 AM

Well, you can't study two religions and say one is true because the other is false. The world is filled with hundreds of beliefs and religions, and within Christianity alone, or politically correct "Christianity," myriads and myriads of Christian denominations.

The truth therefore I believe lies on how you make sense of what believe more than compare and contrast.

To me, reading the Koran and Hadiths was quite depressing. I found it more effective in dialogues with others to talk about my own religion than to compare and contrast, for my own benefit and for others as well.

God bless.

Mina

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Posted: Dec 29, 2006 - 07:14 PM

Agape,

1) Why do you want to read the Quran?

2) Read your Bible and know it thoroughly first.

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garywbush

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Posted: Dec 30, 2006 - 01:14 AM

carolb wrote:

I have read large portions of the Qu'ran (required reading for Arabic class in college).

Being a former Muslim (ie murtad), I can do better than you: recite the entire Quran from memory, yes all 114 Suras. However, I left Islam because I could not accept the message of violence contained inside it.

Islam like Judaism is a nationalistic cult. According to Syariah, which is the Islamic law, every human must be Arabised to facilitate forced prosetylising of the Islamic message. This way, whether you like or not all of us will pray towards the Qiblat of the Kaabah located at Makkah. Only Arabic language is acceptable because God cannot understand other languages Smile

Judaism, OTOH says all humans must pray in Hebrew language, which happens to be the official language of the Zionist Republic of Israel in order to go into paradise. All Jews pray to the Qiblat of the Temple Mount in Jerusalem in the Hebrew language, language of the Torah.

Islam is Arab nationalism (Arabist), while Judaism is Hebrew nationalism (Zionist).

carolb wrote:

I agree with what was said above - make sure you know the Orthodox doctrine and are firm in your faith before you read it, to avoid confusion.

Even if you do not know the Orthodox Church teachings, any rational human being will hate Islam. In fact, the world's most powerful man, His Holiness Aleksy II, Patriarch of Moscow who is also supreme leader of the Russian Orthodox Church has called Islam "an evil and wicked religion" in a speech where he condemned the Chechen Islamists suicide bombers who blew up an Orthodox church in Grozny, Chechnya.

carolb wrote:

Also, ask yourself why you want to read it - to get a better understanding of Islam? To get a better understanding of your own beliefs? Sometimes, it's good to ask a priest or Sunday school servant to go over the key differences before you start, so that you have a roadmap of what you are reading and studying. (I'd be happy to discuss it with you if you like!)

I asked myself why I memorised the Quran and the only reason is I love to read the manual of terrorism itself without seeing any books. Some people say Quran sounds like music, however, after I read and memorised all 114 Suras, I can say it sounds terrible! Even Nancy Ajram's music is better!

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Posted: Dec 30, 2006 - 01:19 AM

carolb wrote:

I have read large portions of the Qu'ran (required reading for Arabic class in college).

carolb wrote:

I agree with what was said above - make sure you know the Orthodox doctrine and are firm in your faith before you read it, to avoid confusion.

carolb wrote:

tonyhabibi

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Posted: Dec 30, 2006 - 10:59 AM

nancy ajram ???? Rolling Eyes

lol ah we noss ,
excuse me i think u meant , nawal el zoughbi .

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Biboboy

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Posted: Dec 30, 2006 - 12:59 PM

garywbush wrote:

Being a former Muslim (ie murtad), I can do better than you: recite the entire Quran from memory, yes all 114 Suras. However, I left Islam because I could not accept the message of violence contained inside it.... Islam is Arab nationalism (Arabist), while Judaism is Hebrew nationalism (Zionist).... I asked myself why I memorised the Quran and the only reason is I love to read the manual of terrorism itself without seeing any books.

Agape,

I don't think the post answers the question raised in this thread, but other than that, the general idea (especially in the quotes above) involve a logical fallacy of converse accident.

Just because some "terrorists" use the Quran to justify their acts of violence, it does not follow that anyone who reads the Quran will arrive at the same conclusions. This is also true of Zionists and the Crusaders who used the OT to justify conquering a land, but the generalization that all Jews and Christians are Zionists and Crusaders does not follow from those two accidental cases.

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egydave

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Posted: Dec 30, 2006 - 03:41 PM

why would you want to read it, i mean if u wanted to learn about the religion or understand the differences between us and them, there are many many books, but not a good idea to read it.

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Posted: Nov 01, 2007 - 08:20 PM

I have actually read the Koran when I was in College for a class that I took, which was comparative religions. I actually took this class because I wanted to be able to know how to better deal with people of other faiths and beliefs. Knowing how to deal with other people is very in my line of work.

lowlyman

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Posted: Nov 03, 2007 - 07:49 AM

Mary,

what u wrote below doesn't make sense. Pray if u want to grow in your religion.

MaryRezk wrote:

I also think that by finding out about another religion, I'll grow stronger in my own religion (if that makes any sense!).

Mary

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