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pavly
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Mar 10, 2007 - 09:31 AM |
 
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Hi everyone, I'm looking for 2 books that exist in Arabic, but want to know if they have been translated to English:
1) El kharida el nafissa (talks about Coptic History)
2) Alla'ale Al nafissa (talks about Coptic Rites)
If any of you know of an English version of it, and where we can get it, that would be very much appreciated!
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Kalax
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Mar 10, 2007 - 10:49 AM |
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Agape Pavly,
These books don't seem to be available in English.
Albier (HCOC) refer's to them quit often. They are extremely important books aimed at the History of the hymns and rites of the Church. They also cast important insight on the circumstances of the Church at that time etc...these books are widely beneficial for all areas of Church study.
I will ask Albier if he can provide more information about these books. I'll let you know.
Pray, we got a difficult recording today (hint: its a rare hymn). 
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mourad
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Kalax
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Mar 10, 2007 - 04:51 PM |
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Hi,
I just confirmed w/ Albier that these books are not translated in English..same w/ Ibn Kabar's book.
These books are available for purchase at the ‘Maktaba al-Ma3haba.
The inside on the hymn we recorded today will have to wait..i'm not at liberty to mention. It will be your surprise in the HCOC's next production. "Good things come to those who wait on the Lord"
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pavly
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Mar 10, 2007 - 09:02 PM |
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Kalax, I've heard one of the 2 books mentioned in my post was recently translated (I think it's "El kharida el nafissa").
Also, you're saying Ibn Kabar's book isn't translated, but I do have its English version! It's called "The Collection of Safey Ibn Al-Assal." However, it says it's a preliminary translation, done by Dr William A. Hanna.
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shaq
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Mar 10, 2007 - 09:51 PM |
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hey guys... about ibn kabars books, they are not available at maktabit el mahada... the only thing available there is a brief summary of the book written by some guy... it totally kills the book and is not worth getting... i got a part 2 but i dont think its the full one... getting part 2 in arabic seems to be a difficult task. |
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Kalax
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Mar 10, 2007 - 11:45 PM |
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wow, i'm confused!
Is this summery version of Ibn kabars work the same book as "The Collection of Safey Ibn Al-Assal"???
Or, is this English translation the FULL BOOK(S) of Ibn kabar?
Pavly, where did you get the English of Ibn kabars book? I would like to read it.
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Mar 11, 2007 - 11:38 AM |
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Pavly, I think at least one of these books is made reference to in this book (check the intro pages), but I don't know if that's enough to satisfy your search...click here
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Mar 11, 2007 - 11:42 AM |
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And yes, Ibn Kabar's is available, as Pavly said. Kalax(ios), I have a soft-copy of the preliminary edition by Dr. Hanna if you want it. Toss me an e-mail so i don't for get (sorry for missing the event, by the way).
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mourad
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Mar 11, 2007 - 12:35 PM |
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Ya Kalax khaleek gada3 ba'a!
what hymn is it? |
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pavly
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Mar 11, 2007 - 05:28 PM |
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Kalax, I'll make a deal with you which might make Mourad happy 
What about I send you the english preliminary version of Ibn Kabar's book in exchange of the rare hymn... muahahaha ")
On a serious note, I can attach the book to this thread, but I think it's copyrighted (although I found it on one of the many Coptic sites on the Internet...). Is it permitted?
I asked again one of our servants about "El kharida el nafissa" and he told me the English version is available, and that an order has been placed to get it from Egypt. (??)
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shaq
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hey, the translation dr william hanna did was a full translation of book 1 by ibn kabar. Part 2 has yet to be translated... it apparently contains all the interesting things such as the history of the theotokiat originating at the abu makar monastery and the year the judas circuit was instituted. |
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Kalax
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Mar 12, 2007 - 11:00 AM |
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Pavly, did mourad put you up to this? lol
 Are you guys trying to tag team kalax? If you are, that's against game rules.
Ah el tah'zeet da kuloo? el ruhma halwa ya gam'aa. 
ya wakwak, inta wahashtinny! Thanks for the offer.
This translation of Ibn Kabar's book is x-cellent news. I can't wait to read it.
Does anyone know if Dr. William Hanna is working on the translation for Vol.2?
btw, where is the book, "El kharida el nafissa" being order from?...Where in Egypt?
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Mar 12, 2007 - 11:14 AM |
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Agape,
I'm not sure if you guys know about this, although it's been on the net for a long time, the preliminary translations by William Hanna of both Ibn Kabar and Ibn Al-Assal are available here:
http://www.coptic.net/public/IbnKabar/ibn_kabar.pdf
http://www.zeitun-eg.org/ASSAL_AL.pdf
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This has been a healthy discussion. Thx, me boyz! |
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pavly
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Mar 12, 2007 - 08:27 PM |
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I'll try getting the info about the order as soon as I can.
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Peter
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Mar 12, 2007 - 09:28 PM |
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The Ibn Kabar books is only the first few chapters, also at points the translation is a bit rough. |
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abbapetros
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Mar 12, 2007 - 09:47 PM |
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They say everyone has a price...if you really interested in knowing what hymn was recorded....I will let out the secret.
The only problem is I only log on coptichymns once every 6 months...sorry!
Mourad...I miss you man...(this is Peter from Hamilton Ontario) - Tell Mags Hi...
Oh by the way i met Mina and Norma in Orlando...They are amazing...I love everyone in Montreal...You guys are huge blessing!
Feel free to email-- abbapetros@hotmail.com
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Mar 14, 2007 - 12:37 PM |
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Salam,
can someone write the title of the books in Arabic please?
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