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Verses in Job
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Jastootie
 
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Post Posted: Nov 25, 2007 - 09:25 PM Reply with quote Back to top

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Hello brothers and sisters,

I was reading Job and I came across a two verses that I would I like to understand better.

Firstly, when God answers Job for the first time, He says:
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Who is this who darkens counsel by words without knowledge? Now prepare yourself like a man; I will question you, and you shall answer Me." (Job 38:2,3)


And then when Job responds to God after God's questioning for nice 4 chapters, Job says:
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You asked, 'Who is this who hides counsel without knowledge?' Therfore I have uttered what I did not understand, Things too wondeful for me, which I did not know." (Job 42:3)


So I think it's safe to assume that God was directing the question in Job38:2,3 to Job, and not his friends. If that is the case, then why does God say later on:
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And so it was, after the the Lord had spoken these words to Job, that the Lord said to Eliphaz the Temanite, "My wrath is aroused against you and your two friends, for you have not spoken of Me what is right, as My servant Job has. (Job 42:8)


My question is, what does God mean by first saying Job has hided counsel without knowledge, and then that he actually did speak right of Him? It seems contradictory, but I'm sure there's an explanation.


The second is more of a contemplation, and I want to know what you guys think or if you guys know anything about this verse:
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And the Lord restored Job's losses when he prayed for his friends. (Job 42:10)


Now we know that God allowed Job to suffer so that He can come out a better man, humble, and that God waited till he repented and humbled himself instead of justifying himself. But does the act of praying for his friends have anything to do with regaining his losses?

Let me know your thoughts, contemplations, or references to anything insightful. Thanks.

In Christ,

Jastootie.

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Post Posted: Nov 26, 2007 - 10:21 AM Reply with quote Back to top

Good questions Jastootie!

I just finished studying a Job in one of my classes and I must say that it is a very interesting book.

The answer to your question is that after Job had lost everything he came very close to cursing his own life and dying. In Job 3, Job curses the day of his birth and the night in which he was concieved...which is where he comes really close. Later on in the book Job is pleading with God and accuses God of unjustly dealing with him. Which is what leads God to say what He said in Job 38:2,3. God was not speaking to the friends but he was speaking to Job in those verses.

In Job 42 Job offers a repentace for speaking without thinking (v. 1-5). And in return God forgives him. That is why in 42:8 God calls Job His servant and restores him to a righteous state.

I wish I could talk about this more but I have to turn in a paper in half an hour that i've only written half of... If you have any further questions let me know.

George Mekhaiel

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